2013 Cam tree

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Ken

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 2013 Cam tree
25-03-2013 09:05 . am | View his/her posts only

To me 2013, the Cam tree Manager is totally illogical and unusable.

When I first looked at 2013 Cam tree, I thought something was missing, when the final release was no different, I waited for the Cam Webinar to see if I was missing something, he skimmed over Cam just showing the highlights.

One example, a trumpeted enhancement is when you run the curser over the Features in the cam tree, they highlight on the model (Been waiting for years for this one), thing is, you don’t pick them from there in 2013, as we do now in 2012, a popup window opens up, where they don’t highlight unless you click on them.

If you have to have the Features expanded in the cam tree so as to highlight them on the model, what is the point of the popup window?

Another enhancement is you can have folder/s to store the features in, when you open the folder/s in the popup window the features spew out the bottom of window.

When making a die or whatever, you use progressive process, if you are using, for example a reference operation, it is generally off the previous operation in the tree, in 2012, I pick the Features and reference operation straight off the previous operation, or the one I want to reference off. What could easier and error free than that. In 2013 you have to hunt for them in the popup windows looking for the one/s you want. If you have got say, 40 operations and 30 Features, it’s not so easy.

The big one for me is, whoever is developing the Cam (and I use that term loosely) needs to go back to 2012 cam tree and use a “single click” on the Output icon, have a look at the window that opens with the four options, everything there is needed so that you can organise your tool paths, Verify what tool paths you want, then output the code.

I can’t make sense of the Cam tree 2013, it has become a double click, right click mishmash. There are little icons popping up with ticks in them that you need a pair of binoculars to see. It is all becoming gimmicky and gadgetry.

ZW are without a doubt the new interface kings, this Cad Cam, especially the Cam requires something more.

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ZW3DUser

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26-03-2013 03:39 . am | View his/her posts only
In my first test on 2013 i alway click once and it dont work. This is because i know the single click in 2012. If i was new in ZW3D i alway double click, i think this is a Windows feature ;) and i think new users most double click ?!

I hear about, that now u can use "drag and drop" with features. I do not tested it. So it could be, that you do not need this pop-up window every time.

At the moment i not so big interesting on 2013. I do not know if we'll get an update to 2013, so i work with 2012.

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Mirko

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02-04-2013 04:23 . am | View his/her posts only
To me 2013, the Cam tree Manager is totally illogical and unusable.When I first looked at 2013 Cam t ...
deltadc Post at 2013-3-25 09:05



:handshakeSame thought for the sheet 2D
Maybe because i did not understand its usefulness with all redundant data

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Tony_ZWSOFT

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08-04-2013 11:15 . am | View his/her posts only
Hi Ken,
Thank you for your opinions.
In order to improve the work efficient, we are trying to offer a more flexible and powerful CAM manager to users. There are some new highlights in 2013 version, like easily to drag and drop items in CAM tree; offering folders and sub-folders for users to manager items; more quick information can be found from icons and enable to customize your CAM tree display subjects, etc. and we will continue to spend resource to enhance it in next version, for completing the whole project. Most of users are quite happy with these enhancements. But there is some improvement still need to be enhanced to embody its effect.
1) In R17 version, why we change activation type from single click to double- clicks?

The reasons are as following.
a) Most users are familiar with the windows operation system, so we are used to the user-habit of windows. Double-clicks to activate or execute something. The uniform operating mode will be more convenient for user and easy to use.
b) Double-clicks to activate or execute something will help us release the single click. We can add functionalities for single click in next version in order to make full use of the mouse functions. For example, one idea is like that, single click to selects any operation, then there will be a figure showing its characteristic; discontinuously double-clicks on the item will help us rename it, etc. so ZW3D will be restricted a lot if we don’t change the old habits.
c) This feedback is from some of the new users: why ZW3D has the strange mouse user-habits compare with other software? For-most of-them, using double-clicks to execute something, even in CAM softwares.


2) Why select features from Pop-up menu?

a) In old version, if the CAM tree has a lot of operations or items. When users select features from geometry tab, they need to scroll up to the top for each operation. If creating the features, it has to stay at the top of the CAM tree. But for operation creating, it needs to scroll to the place of the operation. So you need to scroll the slider all the times. Now, it enable to create feature and select them in the same time, it greatly simplify the process. Combined with the folder function, the pop-up menu will show the some structure of each tap, then you can get clear information, and easy to find you needed.
b) For selecting the reference operation, since it needs to offer a uniform select method for users, so the selecting function of reference operation should be the same as the feature selecting. On the other hand, the feature selections are much more than the reference operation selections, according to the priority, it will be better to change like this.


3) The feature will be highlighted when the cursor move over it in the CAM tree. But it needs to be clicked to confirm in the feature pop-up menu first, and then it will be highlighted. Why they are not the same?

It should be same, we will unify them. If highlights when the cursor moving over, it will cost much resource on display, affect the display efficiency; on the other hand, most of the time we needn’t highlight to confirm what’s the feature. But the cursor will be moved very often, and it will highlight and un-highlight features. So it will be not convenient for users. We might improve it as clicking for confirming and then showing what the feature is. It will be more targeted and save memory resource for showing smoothly.
Thank you for your always attention, if any suggestion or comment please feel free to contact us by ZW3D@ZWSOFT.COM

Best regards
Tony Tan

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Jon

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08-04-2013 12:38 . pm | View his/her posts only
Post Last Edit by JonBanquer at 2013-4-8 12:40

Tony,

The CAM Manager and the History Manager aren't enough. An automatic Entities Manager is needed for ZW3D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SFz_DugCDA

Jon Banquer
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11-04-2013 12:19 . pm | View his/her posts only
Still schilling for TopSolid Jon? Wonder when ZW will figure out you are always going to badmouth them and always say they come up short no matter what they do. And that you have never used their products but have a lot of negative things to say anyway. SHOW US A FILE JON. SHOW ZW A FILE! You are a total fraud. You know I say bad things to but everything I say I document as an actual user. You on the other hand bloviate because you are not a user and you can't get into details that only a user would know. You are the CADCAM world equivalent of the accuracy and honesty readers find in the Enquirer. Cub reporter Jon but not user Jon. Did you tell them when you endorsed the new GUI that you had never used the program, never created a file in it? How do you endorse something you have never used anyway?

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Jon

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11-04-2013 01:14 . pm | View his/her posts only
Post Last Edit by JonBanquer at 2013-4-11 13:16

How much more damage is Dave Ault going to be allowed to do to ZWSOFT and ZW3D?

When is enough of Dave Ault's lies and B.S. enough?

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Missler Software USA (TopSolid) Bill Genc has told Dave Ault that he will have nothing to do with him after warning Dave Ault several times about his behavior. Missler Software USA won't sell Dave Ault TopSolid because they don't want to deal with him. This was almost a year ago. The reasons for them doing so are beyond obvious. The same thing applies to ex VX employee Tim Markoski who was fired by VX. Tim Markoski now posts on Dave Ault's fog blog using the alias Keyser Söze.


Jon Banquer
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12-04-2013 12:36 . pm | View his/her posts only
Hi Jon,
Since I have accepted your ZW3D CADCAM challenge here and you have not produced a file I thought I would provide another one for you. How would you edit this part in any way you choose? Isn't it about time you show ZW and the readers here that you can actually do something besides bloviate? Is there a reason you are petrified with fear when it comes to anyone seeing your work?

Jon as a contributor to Grabcad. http://grabcad.com/jon.banquer
Jon as a contributor again. http://www.slideshare.net/JonBanquer
Jon with a recent contribution and a reflection by others who know him on it's value. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/comp.cad.solidworks/3H8Oe691eyI
Jon and those who know him. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.machines.cnc/e2XmvKjGW2E/S9lx6T7gAg4J
Jon pretending to be corporate management in "Life Sciences" of all things. Once again this JB Tech company of his that no one has ever seen any evidence of. Just like Jon never produces files in anything at any time. Noticing a pattern here? http://www.manufacturing-executive.com/people/Jon.Banquer
Jon goes back a long way with this stuff. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.cad.solidworks/2008-09/msg00269.html
Jon and another phony JB Tech post. Notice that there are no contact details for his "business" http://www.gilcommunity.com/index.php/profile/view/2750/

There are thousands of references to Jon in old Comp Cad and Alt groups. these go back to the late 90's and the only consistent thing here is that A, what Jon supports here he does not there and what he supports today he hates tomorrow. And B, he has never produced a single file to back up anything he has said except for http://www.mastercamforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10. 15 YEARS and never a file but one, if it was even his.

So now tell me just what are your qualifications to be here on ZW3D JB when you can't use this program at all? Every link you post for me has as it's basis my personal experience with ZW/VX and ZW may not like it but everything discusses problems I have encountered as a user and I have proven it with files or examples. You JB complain incessantly about VX/ZW and it is a pattern of yours where you never produce ANY evidence you have the slightest user knowledge of anything you talk about. For 15 years. Prove me wrong and whip all those files out JB. Whip even ONE out.

As a courtesy to ZW and readers here I am not going to post here anymore as I have just lost interest. I respond to JB because it just gripes my rear end that this fraudulent idiot gets any traction anywhere from those who should know better. And ZW3D, if you don't know better you deserve to keep JB on as your pet troll. This guy who has never spent a penny with you will certainly donate his time to tell you how to fix your program that he can't use. Don't believe me? Ask him to put his files where his mouth is and demonstrate that he can actually use ZW3D. I was thinking today about how the edit move command was changed again from 2012 to 2013 and how I had to hunt for this thing and how silly it is to have to learn basic commands location all over again for no reason. But I can show you and I can tell you that this change is unintuitive and why. Jon does not have a clue where any of this is but he is going to give you advice and you ZW3D guys actually quoted him as a qualified endorser of 2013 and he likes your new GUI. Anyone who sees that and knows about Jon is going to laugh and not take you guys seriously at all because most of the CADCAM world knows Jon is a fraud. He likes the pretty pictures but don't ask him to use it with you in a WebEx. Every other person who posts on this forum could and would do a WebEx with you guys but not Jon. Think there might be a reason why?

You keep him you will certainly deserve what you get. It will be a constant monologue of how you guys do not stack up to other programs which he also can't use or produce a file in. But he can be your resident expert if you so choose.



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Jon

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12-04-2013 03:36 . pm | View his/her posts only
Post Last Edit by JonBanquer at 2013-4-12 15:37

"As a courtesy to ZW and readers here I am not going to post here anymore as I have just lost interest."

"As a courtesy" ???

What a sad, pathetic joke you are Ault. Slimeballs like you and fired VX employee Tim Markoski have done nothing but slander ZWSOFT and ZW3D all over the Internet for at least the last year.

Based on your slander and hatred for ZWSOFT and ZW3D there is no reason for you to be posting here other than to ruin this forum.

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http://solidedging.wordpress.com ... news-for-zw3d-users

http://solidedging.wordpress.com ... dirge-not-drumroll/

http://solidedging.wordpress.com ... ry-viva-solid-edge/

http://solidedging.wordpress.com ... na-cadcam-and-zw3d/

Jon Banquer
CADCAM Technology Leaders group on LinkedIn
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