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David

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 2014 thoughts and comments so far
15-08-2014 09:29 . pm   |   View his/her posts only
Finally(!) downloaded and started using ZW2014 this week, as a break came about in my current project that I'm still using ZW2011 for.
Have 2 very basic feedback comments at the moment.

First is in the sketcher when you want to edit a dimension or input a new one, when the dimension box pops up and you scroll your mouse wheel, the dimension does not scroll, instead the page zooms in and out. I'm guessing if I hold down shift or alt or something then this will switch from zoom function to alter dimension, however it would be "nice" if it was the other way round - primary mouse wheel function operates change dimension NOT zoom.

Second comment is everytime you come out of a sketch or performing an action the history jumps back to the top. To me this is annoying as I like to see what my next history operation is going to be, so I would rather it jumped - or stayed - where the "model stop here" arrow is, with history operations visible either side.

Hope you find these comments useful.

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David

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Paul

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16-08-2014 04:41 . am   |   View his/her posts only
Hi David,
welcome to the big learning curve.

Correct - the wonderful 'VX scroll anywhere' is gone.
I don't know why and have lamented the loss for a while now - 2012 on infact. I think there is some explanation - maybe the MS style GUI is to blame. Over time you will get used to it but it is not as intuitive or easy as the VX style. If it came back I would be delighted.

Re the history.
I am presuming you mean the history view jumps to the top and the edit location is hidden. This is silly behaviour that I have asked for a remedy for long time. If you want to chime in with support please do. However if you use the play next arrow it will jump back - not exactly efficient - but at least it does come back - there was a version that didn't!

I have asked that the current edit feature sits about 4 or 5 operations above the bottom of the window so I can see what is coming next. But is anyone listening? I dont know.
If it did that I would be very pleased. That would be 'user helpful' and save a lot of clicks per day.
(I am certain that is an easy thing to set up)

You will find a number of little irksome retrograde or inconsistent behaviours in the GUI. You can live with all of them but they do detract form the otherwise massive improvements. Inconsistency in behaviour is it's major flaw. What was a VX strength is currently a ZW weakness.

We have a saying here "you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone". Newbies will not miss what they never had, but we have seen a different world and know what once was.

But this is NOT all negative - 2014 is a vast improvement in modelling power and ease over 2011. And based on beta testing SP1 will address some issues that are broken and bring some snappy new features.

But you have a lot of relearning ahead to get up to speed with the changes.

For me, I would never want to go back - the speed and ease with which i can effect change in a model, an assembly and it 's associated drawings is a world away from the VX days. It is vastly more stable, reliable,error resilient and helpful. And the output can be much more beautiful.

My suggestion is watch as many of the Webinars and videos on 2013 and 2014 as you can find.
Cheers - Paul

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David

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19-08-2014 10:29 . pm   |   View his/her posts only
Hi Paul

Thanks for the comments. Yes the 2 examples you raise are the same as that which I am finding a little...annoying.

I agree with everything you are saying, and of course like anything, most of the time people will not provide feedback if they are happy, you only receive negative feedback of complaints.

I have been using ZW2011 as I have been doing a big project in it, however that is drawing to a close, and I had a small modelling job the other day so I thought I would give 2014 a go. So far it seems good, I believe it has only crashed on me once. As soon as the service pack is available I will upload and carry on. It's nice to see a few things we "complained" about previously have been fixed i.e. pick filter shading can now be changed away from the "marble effect".

I have been a VX user since 2005 so I have seen many versions along the way, and ZW2011 has been pretty solid for me. I think 2014 will be the next version I will start to use, however I did do a few small jobs in 2012 and apart from a few personal things like colour it worked fine.

I'm sure I'll have more feedback the more I use, and likely whatever I find as an issue will have already been reported by now, but I'll still try to post any comments I have.

Thanks

David

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David

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25-09-2014 11:17 . pm   |   View his/her posts only
Hello ZW3D.

Bumping this thread to highlight a raised issue.

I really do hope that we can see a return of the history tree where it is split so you can see what history operations are still to come.

The fact that this is no longer there is getting quite irritating, and as Paul has also mentioned this issue (above) I know that it is not just me that is annoyed by this.

Do ZW3D think this is something we can integrate back into the system?

I can provide screen grab examples if necessary.


Also on occasion when I right click then try to re-define an operation, sometimes it just reverts back to the operation i.e. fillet. But on other occasions it will do a complete history replay which isn't always helpful.

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26-09-2014 05:02 . am   |   View his/her posts only
Hi David,
just something for you to try. Turn on Auto Caching.

I think you might be surprised how this assists history rebuilds. It means you can edit back and forth for a while with out a full history regen. The catch is you have to do a regen every now and then to tidy up the whole history.

Yes - history tree location in the display could a LOT smarter. I find it irritating that inconsistencies which seem like relatively easy to fix are left broken.

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David

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26-09-2014 09:43 . pm   |   View his/her posts only
I have just rediscovered the "replay" window.

(right click in history tree and click "Play History")

All is well in the world again.

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02-10-2014 10:48 . pm   |   View his/her posts only
Post Last Edit by theMIB at 2014-10-2 23:36

I use VX 14.5 for production of complex, large history models. It has a robust and trustworthy history regeneration.

Using ZW3D 2014 SP1, the modeling power is vastly superior, but I cannot trust the history replay at all.
Too many unsolicited changes are being made, and on a large history model I find 2014 unworkable. Therefore regrettably I revert back to VX 14.5.

I have one example now. I have four 'shapes' in my modeling space. A,B,C,D. I combine A and B together.
I then edit my history to add a fillet to shape B. The software then joins shapes A and C.
I really could not believe what I was seeing!.
There is also a lot of pausing at the end of regens and fillet preview.

I agree with above, attribute and blanking changes removed from the history is causing issues for us here.

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03-10-2014 02:52 . am   |   View his/her posts only
Reply 7# theMIB


Hi Mark, kinda hard to comment without seeing the model.
I agree that the blanking seems an issue to start with as we all got used to using it is a tool.
In reality it should not be necessary as all the tools to combine etc are there so that blanking is not part of a feature tree.
I find I use filters a lot more than I did.

For me this meant I had to smarten up some of my modelling techniques - even a bit of a re think.
However I have to say once this is done, the robustness in 2014 is vastly superior to any previous version.

If you need some assistance I am happy to review model with you and skype to discuss.

Cheers

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03-10-2014 04:30 . pm   |   View his/her posts only
Reply 8# mudcrab

Hello Paul.

I am happy to share the model and / or discuss.
I do not trust the history replay.
I agree that crashes are few and far between, I am not happy to yet do anything with large histories.

Mark. :-)
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